I am a part of a beginners game programming team and we have a section on our website that is for total newbies. Even if you have no experience at all in C++ this will teach you it from the ground up. all you have to have is a compiler of some sort. If you really want to know how to make games... go to the website below. - Excuse me if I sound like a commercial. Here it is - Newbie Tutorials - Chris "What do ya know? I forgot my quote....hehe" [edited by - Tigra7 on July 24, 2002 8:12:27 PM]